Date Archives: 9-Apr-2013

Question: I apologize in advance if this question is redundant, but I have searched and cannot find an answer. For a crew where both medics are IV certified (autonomous certification), are both medics allowed 2 starts (4 attempts in total) on a single patient? Or are attempts limited to 2 attempts per patient regardless of who makes the attempts? Thanks.

Question: Are we allowed to give gravol to head injury patients that are suspected to have the nausea due to that? Also to pregnant women?

Question: If a hypothermic patient re-arrests is it considered a new protocol or just continue transport? Due to the 1 shock protocol.

Question: Is a police officer considered a qualified personnel to be able to witness a cardiac arrest? In regards to "witnessed arrest".

Question: I recently did a call in which the patient was found by nursing home staff to be agitated and non-verbal with left sided arm paralysis. On EMS arrival the patient was moving all limbs but was still non-verbal and agitated. I also noted LT side neglect and some LT side facial drooping. The patient was last seen in a normal state at 04:30 and the time of our arrival was 08:30. The patient also had a valid DNR and I confirmed again with the POA on scene that it was still the wishes. By the time we loaded and transported the patient was outside the 4 hour mark for any CVA treatment. I returned to patient CTAS 3 as they were outside the time line and for the valid DNR. I am wondering if the patient had been within the 4 hour mark for treatment should this patient be returned CTAS 2 or would they still be CTAS due to the DNR? Thanks.

Question: I have a quick question on the PCP supraglottic airway medical directive. What is the rationale for the "must be VSA" condition on the directive for PCP, yet ACP's can use it as a back-up device for failed airway management. Would it not make more sense to make the conditions for PCP something like "Patient must have a GCS=3 and other airway management is inadequate or ineffective"?

The issue here could be two-fold. First, if BVM ventilation is ineffective as a PCP, there is nothing you can fall back on, whereas the ACP can use either ETI or a SGA as indicated. If this ineffective BVM situation occurs as a PCP and the patient is GCS=3, why can't we insert a SGA as a rescue device for ineffective BVM ventilation?

Secondly, with some new evidence beginning to show that SGA's may actually not be as great as we thought in VSA patients, is there a risk we could abandon them entirely from the PCP level, in essence "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" and abandoning a valuable device simply because the conditions for its use were restrictive.

Also, do you have any idea when the new revised BLS standards may be coming out from the MOHLTC? I'm hoping there are new evidence based oxygen therapy guidelines. Any thoughts? Thanks.

Question: What is the Medical Director's direction on doing repeated blood sugars after treatment for hypoglycemia? I recently had a patient who complained of chest pain after a fall. He was a diabetic with a GCS of 14 on initial assessment. His blood sugar was 3.8 and I treated him with oral glucose. He felt better and his GCS became 15. I got a comment back from an auditor who felt I should have done a follow up blood sugar after treating him. I was always taught that it was unnecessary to do a blood glucose if the patient had a GCS of 15. Has there been a change in thinking?

Question: This question is regarding cardiac arrest documentation expectations. Is it a requirement to document vital signs every 2 minutes or would it be sufficient to document one set with a comment: Patient remained pulseless throughout? As well, CPR charted once, with a similar comment: CPR performed throughout. In my opinion, this would be more efficient and concise.

As well, if in a position where we are transporting a VSA patient, as an ACP I have always performed a rhythm interpretation even while the vehicle is moving. I have never really noticed artifact as an issue, and cannot find any documentation relating to ACP practice stating I must pull over. I have not had any feedback from base hospital regarding this practice, but my supervisor has mentioned some serious concerns.

Thanks again for this forum that helps our practice.

Question: This question is regarding a cardiac arrest from anaphylaxis. If epi is given and the patient has no ROSC, arrest is unwitnessed, and by the 3rd analysis no shock is given, is it acceptable to patch for TOR, or is the TOR contraindicated due to the arrest being of non-cardiac origin?

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