Category Archives: Do Not Resuscitate (DNR)

Can you assist ventilations when a patient has a DNR? I had a call recently where a patient had a DNR, she was GCS 6, breathing spontaneously at a rate of 20 but there was very little air movement and an O2 sat in the low 80's after we put her on a high concentration mask. I decided it was appropriate to assist her ventilations with a BVM to try to push oxygen deeper in her lungs. This did seem to help because when we arrived at the hospital she was now opening her eyes spontaneously, had a GCS of 10 and her O2 sats got to low 90's. I just want to clarify the difference between assisted ventilations and using a BVM for resuscitation when it comes to DNR's.

Should I ask for a DNR in every scenario where I may use what's contraindicated? If I were to show up for an unconscious but not VSA female and her husband is on scene and doesn't mention the DNR, should I assume they want treatment and continue with inserting an OPA and bagging if necessary or should I ask for a DNR before starting treatment? Would I get in trouble in this scenario if I treated this patient without the husband saying anything and then once we got to the hospital found out they had a DNR?

Question: Are paramedics in Ontario authorized to adhere to a person's DNR wishes documented on a completed 'CCAC Plan of Treatment' as an alternative to a completed 'DNR Confirmation Form’?

Question: When the Ministry of Health's DNR forms are filled out, can the section where the patient's name goes have a sticker from the hospital with the patients name/health card #/DOB, etc. instead of having the name printed or does that make the form invalid. The form specifically states the patient’s name should be printed clearly. I wasn't sure if the ID sticker was something we could accept instead or if that section can only be filled out by hand.

Question: In a setting where you arrive on scene and you are presented with a patient who is unconscious and is hypotensive, the patient has a valid DNR. Can you still administer fluids to this patient or does that fall under the same category as inserting an OPA/NPA and BVM to a patient with a DNR?

Question: How is the DNR standard in the BLS PCS reconciled with this statement in the ALS PCS: "if a paramedic is aware or is made aware that the person has a prior capable wish with respect to treatment, they must respect that wish (for example, if the person does not wish to be resuscitated)."

Obviously the ideal situation is that the patient has the DNR confirmation form and there are no issues. The issue comes up with regards to verbal DNRs issued by a capable patient or SDM (that are reasonable), or in such cases where the patient has a DNR, living will or other advanced directive that specifies the patients wishes, but no prehospital DNR form. Is this form not redundant provided there is a reasonable indication that the patient does not wish to be resuscitated or have aggressive life sustaining therapies delivered?

How can the BLS PCS DNR standard be reconciled with the ALS PCS regarding honouring a prior capable wish when the provider is made aware of such wish (provided its reasonable)? Especially given that in nearly ever other case, a directive in the ALS PCS over-rides the BLS-PCS. Given that this issue is not nearly as cut and dry in reality, or in any other healthcare setting, as it seems to be made out to be in EMS in this province what is the situation with regards to this? Especially given that end-of-life issues are increasingly common, the issue is not going to disappear. There are many other provinces that use a similar wording or philosophy to that mentioned in the ALS-PCS under consent and capacity.

Question: Are we allowed to accept photocopied DNR? I have heard several discrepancies on this question.

Question: I have been to a few calls where the patient does not have a DNR, but the death is expected and family does not want CPR or other interventions. The family will make statements like "we don't want CPR" or “they wouldn't want CPR", etc. Do we initiate the CPR and Defibrillation protocols until we can get hold of the BHP or do we run the call and transport regardless of family request?

Question: There is some confusion about patients that have a valid DNR, and are very sick requiring transport. It makes sense that many of the ACP skills might not be utilized on these patients, and CPAP would be a PCP skill. There are cases where the family changes their mind on a DNR, and cases where the status is not clear. There are also other cases where a patient may be a trauma and have a valid DNR where they may need a needle decompression, but not necessarily cardiac arrest needing CPR or intubation. Is it OK for ACPs not to attend valid DNR patients?

Question: I was told by a physician that a DNR becomes void with a suicide attempt. I was wondering how we should approach this situation.

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